I’ve used TurboTax for several years now. It’s usually simple and worth the cost. That’s why I spent $50 on it again this year. I even recommended it.
I’m not entirely rescinding my recommendation, but I feel like I should share my experiences this year in the interest of full disclosure.
Last weekend I finished my return in an hour and a half. I earned some freelance income, so I filed as a home business. I was a little nervous, but the program really did make filling out the forms easy. I answered the questions, filled out the necessary information, and found out I was getting a big fat refund.
An accountant at my work kindly offered to look over my completed return to make sure I hadn’t missed anything. Nice of him, right? I’m incredibly thankful he looked.
You see, before we got serious about personal finance, my husband and I took an early distribution from his retirement account. It was a few thousand dollars he had accumulated at his previous job. I don’t regret it. We really needed the money at the time, and though I know now that it wasn’t a smart move, it helped us get through the year without accumulating credit card debt.
Well, because it was an early distribution, TurboTax calculated that we owed a 10% penalty in addition to the income taxes that were withheld. I was expecting that.
When the acccountant looked at my return, he informed me that we are actually exempt from the penalty because my husband’s education expenses were higher than the amount he withdrew from his retirement account. We almost paid $350 more to the IRS than we owed, and TurboTax didn’t catch it.
Though I trusted my accountant co-worker (and he showed me the tax code), I did my own research since, you know, they’re my taxes. I found this. Confirmation from the IRS that we don’t have to pay the 10% penalty.
I should have looked into this on my own, but I honestly had no idea. I’ve always heard that the 10% penalty goes along with the early distribution. I didn’t think we could avoid it. TurboTax (which guarantees the “maximum deduction”), didn’t catch it.
Needless to say, I thanked my accountant co-worker profusely and made him cookies. He saved me $350!
I attempted to amend my electronic return. It took some time, but I eventually figured out how to take the deduction. I finally found the information hidden in a teeny tiny link. It said that “You may by exempt from the penalty tax for the following reasons.” But there was no option that said, “Hey, I actually qualify for this.”
Whatever. I was just happy it was over, and that my accountant friend had alerted us.
Then I tried to e-file. TurboTax normally charges for this service, so I’ve always mailed in my return. This year the federal e-file was free with the program. So I said what the hay. To avoid the hassle of mailing in my state return, I went ahead and paid the $20 to e-file that, too. In hindsight, $20 to e-file seems outrageous, but after the retirement distribution debacle I just wanted it to be over.
My e-filed return was rejected. Three times. It said that my previous year’s Adjusted Gross Income, which is used to prove my identity, did not match the IRS records. But the numbers were correct.
At this point I wanted to mail them, but I had paid $20 for the state return. I was either going to e-file or get my money back. So I spent 2 hours on hold waiting to speak to someone. I kid you not. Two. Hours.
When I finally got through, the customer service rep was helpful. He informed me that the problem was a glitch in their system. I had entered my information correctly, but due to this glitch I would not be able to e-file. I would have to mail my return. Fine.
Thankfully, they refunded the $20 e-file charge. Of course, I won’t get a refund for the cost of the “free federal e-file” that was included with the program. But whatever.
Moral of the story? In the future, I will probably use a cheap or free program and find an accountant to look over my return for a small fee (or free!). I can’t justify paying $50 (plus e-file fees) for a program that could miss such a big exemption.
Wow! Glad it was a tax error in your favor, and i’m glad your coworker caught it.
Maybe consider e-mailing Turbotax and include a link to this post so they can see what went down.
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Glad your friend found the error, and sorry to hear about all your issues with Turbotax. I have never used that program. I am all about filing for free though. I use http://www.esmarttax.com
In fact, I just posted about it on my blog.
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Karen… Thanks for posting about your experience with TurboTax and allowing me to respond. Making sure you get the biggest refund is important to us and I want to assure you that we stand by that guarantee.
1. IRA distribution – Actually TurboTax DOES ask whether your distribution may be subject to the penalty exception (provided you identified your distribution correctly in the interview). TurboTax identifies the potential exception in Final Review by saying “Some exceptions apply that might REDUCE or ELIMINATE this penalty” (uppercase words are bold in the TurboTax interview). Clicking Continue takes you to the next screen that list Higher Education as an exception. When you enter the amount in this field, TurboTax correctly computes the exception. TurboTax takes you to this exception screen unless you skip Final Review (never recommended). This Final Review diagnostic is triggered by your accurately entering the information from the Form 1099-R, which means that you had to identify the distribution as coming from an IRA (box 7). Perhaps you printed your return before completing Final Review?
2. E-file rejection – I’m sorry your return was rejected by the IRS. That’s a bummer. What the agent should have said is that there are many glitches with the IRS’ matching of your adjusted gross income verification (and it’s extensively documented). TurboTax correctly enters your AGI, but the problem resides with the IRS, not TurboTax.
Karen, we take the accuracy of TurboTax very seriously and I hope my response demonstrates to you and other readers that TurboTax properly alerts you to your specific tax savings opportunity (IRA penalty exception). I encourage you to revisit TurboTax to verify what I have written above.
I hope you can again recommend TurboTax.
Bob Meighan
VP, TurboTax
The distribution code on the 1099-R is key in this situation. If the distribution code in box 7 = 1, then the IRS will still levy the 10% penalty. If this is the casse, you would need to contact the retirement plan administrator for a corrected 1099-R. If the plan administrator agrees (they may require documentation of the education expenses), the corrected 1099-R will likely reflect distribution code = 2 (Early distribution, exception applies (under age 59½)). If not corrected, your experience will not be over as you’ll likely receive a notice for the 10% penalty months down the road.